In this episode, Deedra and Megan spend time answering some questions sent in by listeners such as:
Check out an early episode with Melissa: Episode 9: How God Interrupts our Stories
And for the books mentioned, we keep a great library of links on our Resources page.
Today is such a special episode! We have Deedra's daughters, Hope, Sav, and Lela, on to talk about the enneagram in sister relationships. The girls, ages 19, 18, and 18, represent all three numbers in the heart triad. They each talk about what that means in how they process feelings and how it manifests in conflict. They also discuss their different stances and how each of them has a different repressed center of intelligence.
Hope is an enneagram 3 and a junior in college. She's studying theater for healing, and you can find her on her Instagram: @hopemackenzi. Sav is an enneagram 4 and a sophomore in college. She's studying social work, and you can check out her podcast: Recommence. Lela is an enneagram 2 and starting her freshman year of college while doing a dance discipleship program.
For more information on triads and stances, check out the structure overview episode.
The conflict episodes Megan referred to can be found in episode 40 and episode 41.
We are so excited to share this episode! Kendall and Janell are best friends and business partners who run a coaching business together, but we don't want to talk about that right now. Instead, we are going to discuss how being an enneagram 9 and a 2 work in relationship! We dive right into managing conflict, making decisions, how each type moves towards stress and security, and how they've learned to call out the best in each other as they each work on inner healing. You don't want to miss this fun and vulnerable conversation!
Janell is a Chek Holistic Lifestyle Coach Level 2 and Level 2 Certified CrossFit Trainer, having coached CrossFit for 8 years. Kendall is a Certified Holistic Health Coach and is beginning a Master's in Counseling program. Together, they witnessed in their fitness and nutrition clients, a lack of results due to a lack of CONSISTENCY. They were able to recognize this because this was their story too. They had also struggled with the same issues their clients experienced, and they recognized that willpower ALONE was not enough to KEEP results. And, most alarming, there was a lack of JOY in the journey. So they asked WHY? And this began their journey of TRANSFORMATION. A journey they say never ends as they grow and expand...a journey they walk right alongside their clients--the Go.Be.Wild. Tribe.
Check out their website and follow them on Instagram!
We're kicking off a new series with this episode: the enneagram and relationships! We explore all types of relationships to see how different enneagram types interact with each other.
Today's episode explores the relationship between two sisters-in-law, Meg Amsden (type 1) and Kami Amsden (type 3). Meg and Kami married brothers, and their relationship has evolved into a close friendship. In this conversation, we discuss: packing for vacation by certain enneagram types; how Ones and Threes can bring out the best in each other; how the enneagram has shown up for each of them in difficult seasons of marriage and in parenting; and how the four of us can be awfully silly together.
We reference a lot of other thought leaders with books to read: Brenè Brown, Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach, Emily and Amelia Nagoski.
Deedra and Megan explain the tagline of Dauntless Grace: connecting women to a meaningful story. They personalize that by enneagram type, and they also step on their soapbox to talk about why sin is not equal to behavior; sin is a byproduct of diSINintegration in our souls. Finally, they connect the miracles Jesus performed in the Gospels to the healing message each enneagram type needs to hear for the re-integration and wholeness they seek.
Megan's Instagram: @EnneagramMegan will have these lists and slides up soon.
The song Deedra referred to is actually Peace Be Still by Lauren Daigle and The Belonging Co
Recently, Megan put a series on Anger on her Instagram account: @EnneagramMegan, so she and Deedra talk about what anger is, how it manifests as parts of ourselves, and what might trigger anger in each enneagram type. Also, they can't have an episode without mentioning Breñe Brown, neuroscience, or their favorite IFS therapists.
What's Happened to You by Dr. Bruce Perry
Move Toward with Jenna Riemersma
Deedra and Megan jump right into the Gospels and talk about what Jesus has to say about self-help, looking inward, and what living in wholeness really looks like. Plus, how do we know what part of us is driving the bus, and how can we allow Jesus, through our Spirit-led Self, take the wheel?
Megan's Instagram account
Dr. Alison Cook's episode
Tammy Sollenberger's episode
Deedra and Megan are recording from a youth conference in the mountains in Colorado and remembering their own teenage selves. If we could go back, what would we want to say to our younger selves? What do we wish we had known back then? Teens and young adults are trying to figure out how to move through the world in a way that makes them feel safe and loved, but the truth is, we are all affected by trauma in some form, and when we aren't aware of what triggers or floods that part of our brain, we tend to put up guards rather than connect to the love of the Father.
The book Deedra mentions can be found here: What Happened to You?
Linda Mitchell joins Deedra and Megan on the podcast to discuss the fire burning in her heart: literacy. Linda tells her family's own literacy journey and how it shaped her own determination to see every home filled with books. Her motto is literacy is liberation, and she uses her education and experience to bring literacy access to book deserts and to partner with communities who need resources.
Linda Mitchell is a former teacher and parent educator for the Parents as Teachers program at St. Louis Public Schools. She has seen the education landscape from the vantage point of the classroom and the living room. Her experiences have shaped her view that the home is the powerhouse for change and the seedbed for literacy culture. She is the founder of the Metro East Literacy Project nonprofit organization and the author of two children’s books. She promotes literacy to adults and children through free book distribution, reading lessons, and reading events. Linda, a Chicago native, now resides in O’Fallon, Illinois with her husband Odell Mitchell Jr.
Linda's Literacy Journeys with Linda interviews can be seen on her YouTube channel, Literacy is Liberation and visit Linda's Penny Press Puzzle Lady YouTube channel for tips on solving word puzzles.
Deedra and Megan go back to their podcast basics on this episode. They discuss: why being aware of our internal selves is so important; how hurt people hurt people; what being thick-skinned really means for us as Christians; and how we can advocate for others on the journey. Also, don't miss Megan learning the basic storyline of Superman and Deedra crying at least three times.
Notes: The Backstory episode that Megan mentioned.
Aging out of our Armor episode that talks about shedding self-protective layers.
Megan and Deedra welcome their friend Ronne Rock to the podcast! They discuss the grittiness of hope, how it feels to not have all the answers, if short-term missions trips are worth it, and what it looks like to love your enemies - all from the lens of an enneagram Four!
Ronne Rock weaves themes of transformative hope and grace into everything she shares on page and stage. She's an author, speaker, and mentor—offering honest encouragement and gut-level wisdom about topics ranging from leadership and long-road faith to discovering your God-crafted design and purpose. She leads marketing and special initiatives for Orphan Outreach, a global nonprofit restoring hope for orphaned and vulnerable children. Ronne writes regularly for Joyful Life Magazine, and her book, One Woman Can Change the World: Reclaiming Your God-Designed Influence and Impact Right Where You Are, is available wherever books are sold. An Oklahoma gal by birth, Ronne now lives in the Texas Hill Country with her husband, Brad, and rescue pup, Pearl, not far at all from her son and his family. Her favorite place to connect is on Instagram, and you can also find more of her writing on her website.
Lesa Brackbill joins the podcast today to share about the painful journey she walked in losing her daughter Tori and how God has brought so much redemption from that pain and turned it into a story of hope and advocacy.
Lesa Brackbill is a California native and Azusa Pacific University alumna who made central Pennsylvania her home thirteen years ago. She met her husband, Brennan, not long after moving, and they now call Hershey home. They have 3 children: Tori (Heaven), and identical twin boys Isaiah and Caleb. Lesa enjoys writing, photography, traveling, being a tour guide, and advocacy for Newborn screening for Krabbe. You can find her book, Even So, Joy: Our Journey through Heartbreak, Hope, and Triumph here.
We've been exploring Internal Family Systems (IFS) for eight weeks now, and Megan and Deedra wrap up the series in this episode. You won't want to miss insights on:
Your Enneagram Coach founder Beth McCord is on the podcast today! She sits down with Deedra and Megan to talk all things Enneagram, including:
Having been trained by the best Enneagram experts and pouring hundreds of hours into advanced certifications, Beth is now leading the industry in simplifying the deep truths of the Enneagram from a Biblical perspective. Beth's passion is to make the Enneagram accessible for everyone, anywhere, so they can experience the transformation they long for. For more information about Beth's courses, visit her website.
IFS therapist Jenna Riemersma brings her knowledge and experience to this conversation with Deedra and Megan. They discuss: facing pain instead of running away; the three steps in her Move Toward movement; the spiritualizer parts most Christians have; and how society is a reflection of all the parts.
Best-selling author, speaker and therapist, Jenna Riemersma (https://jennariemersma.com/) is the Clinical Director of the Atlanta Center for Relational Healing. Jenna is a Harvard graduate, trauma specialist, and IFS therapist. Her book, Altogether You, was recently Amazon's #1 hot new release in Spirituality and Self Help. Jenna has been happily married for over 20 years, is a proud mom of two adult children, an animal lover, and a yoga enthusiast.
Each week on the Dauntless Grace Exchange podcast, Deedra Mager and Megan Hall chat with Christian women about their faith, their fears, their victories, and their struggles in the hopes to connect women to a meaningful story.